dbms_job failed to execute 2005-10-28 - By Gogala, Mladen
Let's name things correctly and call them for what they are. I believe that
this should be an elite club where
more or less seasoned oracle professionals meet. There are other lists which
are intended for beginners.
Dan Morgan, Sybrand Bakker and Jim Kennedy did a terrific job on
comp.databases.oracle.server. People
there are now aware of what will happen if they post a stupid question,
without putting in even a minimal effort
to solve the questions themselves. I am trying to achieve the same awareness
here and am therefore willing
to accept the role of Sybrand of this group. At the moment, I am deleting
60 messages a day which are more
or less entirely dedicated to idiotic discussions like "which Linux is the
best". So far, this list is useless to me
as it is. Unless you come up with some posting guidelines I'll use my wit
and bad manners to cut down the
number of useless posts that I receive. I don't care if the beginners are
otherwise competent brain surgeons
or rocket scientists but it they are asking a question about oracle, then
they should put in a minimal amount of
work or prefix their subject with "newbie" so that I can filter the subject
out.
Competency is not clearly defined, there are people who thought that a
former camel jockey is competent
enough to be a FEMA director and that organizing camel races is the same
thing as helping a city hit by
a hurricane. Your and mine opinions about competency might differ slightly.
--
Mladen Gogala
Ext. 121
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From: Jared Still [mailto:jkstill@(protected)]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:56 PM
To: Gogala, Mladen
Cc: mag.andersen@(protected); Oracle-L Freelists
Subject: Re: dbms_job failed to execute
Mladen, you're making the assumption that everyone that asks an 'easy'
question
is too lazy to do some homework.
Sometimes 'beginners' are simply otherwise competent people that have to
deal
with a situation new to them, have consulted the manuals, are still unsure
what
to do, and have the good sense to ask more knowledgable people before
charging
ahead with incomplete knowledge and creating a bigger mess than they started
with.
'Beginners' are sometimes under pressure from their boss to fix a situation.
It could
be that their DB is even covered by support, but the local bureaucracy
prevents them
from contacting support. There are a number of situations whereby someone
has
insufficient time to do all the research to fully understand the problem -
they just
gotta fix it.
Whatever the situation, does it really matter? Delete the email, skip it,
whatever.
As 'beginners', they also have the right to exercise 'free speech'.
--
Jared Still
Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist
On 10/28/05, Gogala, Mladen <MGogala@(protected)
<mailto:MGogala@(protected)> > wrote:
Some people (I will not mention any names, of course) feel that asking
questions without doing even
a minimal investigation is disrespectful to oracle professionals who did
invest some work into becoming
oracle professionals. Some people will probably continue to discourage such
lazy beginners by using
all means at their disposal. Some people are equally entitled to their
opinion as you are to yours.
The first amendment of the email lists reads as follows:
Moderator shall make no rule respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the moderator for a redress of grievances.
--
Mladen Gogala
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Let's name things correctly
and call them for what they are. I believe that this should be an elite club
where <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>more or less seasoned oracle professionals
meet. There are other lists which are intended for beginners.<o:p></o:p></span>
</font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dan Morgan, Sybrand Bakker and Jim Kennedy
did a terrific job on comp.databases.oracle.server. People<o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>there are now aware of what will happen if
they post a stupid question, without putting in even a minimal effort<o:p></o:p
></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>to solve the questions themselves. I am
trying to achieve the same awareness here and am therefore willing<o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>to accept the role of Sybrand of
this group. At the moment, I am deleting 60 messages a day which are more
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>or less entirely dedicated to idiotic
discussions like "which Linux is the best". So far, this list is
useless to me<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>as it is. Unless you come up with some
posting guidelines I'll use my wit and bad manners to cut down the<o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>number of useless posts that I receive. I
don't care if the beginners are otherwise competent brain surgeons <o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>or rocket scientists but it they are
asking a question about oracle, then they should put in a minimal amount of<o:p
></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>work or prefix their subject with "newbie"
so that I can filter the subject out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Competency is not clearly defined, there
are people who thought that a former camel jockey is competent <o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>enough to be a FEMA director and that
organizing camel races is the same thing as helping a city hit by<o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>a hurricane. Your and mine opinions about
competency might differ slightly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mladen Gogala</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ext. 121</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">jkstill@(protected)</st1:PersonName>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 28, 2005
2:56 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on"
>Gogala,
Mladen</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">mag
.andersen@(protected)</st1:PersonName>;
Oracle-L Freelists<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: dbms_job failed to
execute</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mladen, you're making the
assumption that everyone that asks an 'easy' question<br>
is too lazy to do some homework.<br>
<br>
Sometimes 'beginners' are simply otherwise competent people that have to deal
<br>
with a situation new to them, have consulted the manuals, are still unsure what
<br>
to do, and have the good sense to ask more knowledgable people before charging
<br>
ahead with incomplete knowledge and creating a bigger mess than they started
with.<br>
<br>
'Beginners' are sometimes under pressure from their boss to fix a
situation. It could<br>
be that their DB is even covered by support, but the local bureaucracy prevents
them<br>
from contacting support. There are a number of situations whereby someone
has<br>
insufficient time to do all the research to fully understand the problem - they
just<br>
gotta fix it.<br>
<br>
Whatever the situation, does it really matter? Delete the email, skip it,
whatever.<br>
<br>
As 'beginners', they also have the right to exercise 'free speech'.<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Jared Still<br>
Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist<o:p></o:p></span></font><
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<span
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href="mailto:MGogala@(protected)">MGogala@(protected) </a>>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Some people (I will not mention any names, of course)
feel that asking questions without doing even</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>a minimal investigation is disrespectful to oracle
professionals who did invest some work into becoming</span></font><o:p></o:p><
/p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>oracle professionals. Some people will probably continue to
discourage such lazy beginners by using</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>all means at their disposal. Some people are equally
entitled to their opinion as you are to yours.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>The first amendment of the email lists reads as follows:<
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<h3><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:normal'>Moderator shall make no rule respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people
peaceably to assemble, and to petition the moderator for a redress of
grievances</span></font></b>.<font
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Mladen Gogala</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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